Duranders Tell New Horizon Homes “NO” to 17 and “YES” to 4 !

Over 100 Duranders attended the information meeting last night Thursday, May 9th to tell New Horizon Homes and more specifically Mr Paikin that 17 storeys is not acceptable.  To NHH’s credit,  the presentation was brief as Duranders certainly knew what the original proposal  called for. For over 90 minutes, Duranders expressed their dismay, their anger, and outrage with the application to amend the zoning bylaw to allow for 17 storeys.  They questioned both the planner and Mr Paikin and it was obvious Duranders were not buying the song and dance.

Thank you to Nicholas Kevlahan, who presented an overview of what exactly this developer bought into when he partnered with Dundurn Edge to develop the former Thistle Site.  Mr Paikin continued to deny that he was aware of the “Minutes of Settlement” signed in 1996 which outlined height restrictions for this property and that was 7 storeys, 8 storeys and 4 storeys on Park Street South.  Would this not be  “due diligence” on the part of New Horizon Homes?

And for those of you who were not there last night, Duranders were informed that on previous occasions New Horizon Homes and Mr Paikin had come to the DNA to share his plans to request  2 additional storeys on each of the 2 Towers.  The DNA was supportive even though several Duranders were upset with our decision to not go to Committee of Adjustment to deny his request.  However, for whatever reason New Horizon Homes never bothered to contact us with the new application for 17 storeys and we did not become aware  until one of our Board members happened by the sign posted at Robinson and Park South and  an email from a resident who had received a notice to attend this very meeting last night.  Quite a change and certainly for the DNA and Duranders, disrespectful of our neighbourhood.

By the way, that letter only goes to residents that live within 120 metres of the proposed application. Had it not been for those Duranders who delivered over 500 flyers this past weekend and our DNA blogs, most of us would have had no idea of this meeting.  Not only that those that have already purchased in Tower 1 and Tower 2 have no idea what they will be looking at.  We had in attendance 3 new purchasers  that got wind of this meeting.  They were very vocal about how upset they are and would not have purchased had they known that they could be looking at a 17 storey tower.  Not only that, they  have a clause in their agreement saying that they can not oppose any zoning amendments!

Besides the 17 storeys, visitor parking that was originally to be located on the west side of the property has now been moved to what was to be lovely gardens and green space between the 2 towers.  So those residents now will be looking at vehicles in the centre of their space and a black hole of 17 storeys.

This is just beginning.  On the way out of the meeting,  Mr Paikin informed me that no one would WIN!  We must stay the course.  If you have not already submitted your letters to to the planning department and Councillor Farr, please do so.  The next step is for planning to review, accept, deny or make recommendations to the developer.  It will then go to the Council members of the Planning Committee, where we will again have the opportunity to present our objections and  then to Council.  Should the developer be denied.  He can then go to Committee of Adjustment and then to  the OMB.  We, too can go to the OMB.  It works both ways.  It is imperative that Councillor Farr be aware of your objections and to have our City support the best interests of our neighbourhood

This could be a very long process!

The DNA will keep you informed by way of this blog. Thank you once again for your passion, your commitment for continuing the battle to preserve this fabulous historic southwest neighbourhood ” DURAND”.  Lets not let developers destroy what we fought so hard for.  Good Urban Planning!  Not walls of towers that Torontonians are trying to escape from.

 

 

 

8 Responses to Duranders Tell New Horizon Homes “NO” to 17 and “YES” to 4 !

  1. Kathleen Hagan

    I attended last nights meeting. It was very clear that the well attended meeting was a resounding thumbs down regarding the intended 17 storey building.
    I believe Mr Paikin is hoping to increase the agreed upon four storys any way he can, by requesting a 17 storey building { maximum height} he will be quite happy to get nine or ten storey as a compromise.
    This beautiful neighbourhood is oversaturated now. Traffic is horrendous and will get worse.
    Mr Paikin needs to hear the word NO over and over. Right now Robinson st is a mess . Trucks removing soil from the site number over at least seventy trips a day. Yesterday following the rain the street was a river of mud.
    When Queen st closes for road work in June, Robinson and Herkimer will be a nightmare. It is very difficult to make a left turn from Robinson and right now with the added daily trucking of soil waiting time to make a right turn is dangerous to our many elderly pedestrians on that corner.

    • I received a flyer for the mteeing, and if I had not been so sick this week, I would have expressed my anger. I am one of the people who will be living in the nearly finished condo. I never would have considered moving there is the 17 story proposed tower would be brought up at any time.If this proceeds, there will be many lawsuits pending for the developers. This site was going to be different from the past that is evident in the crummy apt-condos littering Duke St., Robinson, Bold St. and many more. The original plan Mr. Paikin was not aware of, is very much in effect. They are called rules and any deviation from them will not be tolerated, and the site for 17 stories will be another blight on the city and Mr. Paikin’s reputation.Stop this from happening.Judy Hendry221 Park. St. S.905-523-8696

    • In this residential area there are alerady too many high rises obscuring the view and causing too much traffic, along with a severe parking shortage. The older one-family homes or duplexes are wedged in between the high rises, and property values are declining rapidly because the lovely old homes are overshadowed by these giant buildings that repeatedly get zoning bylaw amendments to go higher than the initial plans indicated.

  2. While I appreciate that NHH organized this meeting, and it was very informative, it still does not make the pill any easier to swallow.
    I am sorry, but we have enough tall structures, traffic, cars, and noise in the DNA – We simply do not want another tall concrete structure in our neighbourhood.End of discussion.
    We don’t care how many study’s you do that illustrate this that or the other thing. What your studies don’t reflect is feelings and sentiment and common sense.

    I might also point out that NHH and the Planning/Design firm GSP Group are the same bright lights that engineered that albatross on the corner of Aberdeen and Dundurn on the site of the former Tim Horton’s. Every time I drive by there I shake my head and say… who the H*** ever allowed this structure to be built on such a small lot right up against the sidewalk and smack beside the other buildings. OMG. You call this urban planning and you have to go to school for this? (http://www.newhorizonhomes.ca/urbanwest_brochure.html) I call it jam as much as you can into a small footprint and make the developers as much $$ as possible and to hell with everyone else. GSP staff must have gone to the same school as those who are behind the Smart Centres Malls… I.E. Center Mall and Mountain Plaza Mall… just look what “Urban Design” has done to the concept of a mall. – Again… all is good on paper and engineering drawings… but lacks common sense and true usability! Nobody wants this urban design nonsense.

  3. I received a flyer for the meeting, and if I had not been so sick this week, I would have expressed my anger. I am one of the people who will be living in the nearly finished condo. I never would have considered moving there is the 17 story proposed tower would be brought up at any time.

    If this proceeds, there will be many lawsuits pending for the developers. This site was going to be “different” from the past that is evident in the crummy apt-condos littering Duke St., Robinson, Bold St. and many more. The original plan Mr. Paikin was not aware of, is very much in effect. They are called “rules” and any deviation from them will not be tolerated, and the site for 17 stories will be another blight on the city and Mr. Paikin’s reputation.

    Stop this from happening.

    Judy Hendry
    221 Park. St. S.
    905-523-8696

    • I attended last nihgts meeting. It was very clear that the well attended meeting was a resounding thumbs down regarding the intended 17 storey building. I believe Mr Paikin is hoping to increase the agreed upon four storys any way he can, by requesting a 17 storey building { maximum height} he will be quite happy to get nine or ten storey as a compromise. This beautiful neighbourhood is oversaturated now. Traffic is horrendous and will get worse. Mr Paikin needs to hear the word NO over and over. Right now Robinson st is a mess . Trucks removing soil from the site number over at least seventy trips a day. Yesterday following the rain the street was a river of mud. When Queen st closes for road work in June, Robinson and Herkimer will be a nightmare. It is very difficult to make a left turn from Robinson and right now with the added daily trucking of soil waiting time to make a right turn is dangerous to our many elderly pedestrians on that corner.

    • Thanks for sharing this iniormatfon. I completely agree we do not want another tall structure in the heart of the Durand.As things stand it is already a tragedy that we let the Thistle Club fall into such a state of disrepair that it had to be torn down, now in its place we have 2 unappealing large condo towers, and a deceptive developer trying to pull a fast one those of us living in the Durand! No Way, not going to happen!There are already too many apartment buildings. When can we start demolishing some of the existing ones. I am in favour of that motion. – Lets start with the bedbug infested and high crime buildings first!

  4. The area is already dense with bilnduigs. Surely the two bilnduigs on the Robinson/Charlton lot of eleven and nine stories are high ENOUGH! The original plan of New Horizon for a FOUR story building on that Robinson/Park lot is accepted. Leave it alone!! City Hall should put their foot down here. Get some guts!!!

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